Friday, February 25, 2011

Current Discussion in Our Network: Corrosion Associations in India

This discussion was posted by Mr Akshat Agrawal in our network • 


First of all there is no Corrosion Association in India to promote corrosion awareness, accreditation, education, certification.....like NACE, EFC (all developed countries have their own Corrosion Bodies).....


Manickam Valliappan • National Corrosion Council of India is functioning from CECRI, Karaikudi. CII has Corrosion Management Committee. Prof Raja of IIT Mumbai is the sitting member representing India in International Corrosion Council. NACE International India Chapter is functioning from Mumbai. Indian Institute of Metals is there in Kolkatta..

It is disturbing to see the fact that there is no representation for India in World Corrosion Organization, the NGO of UN. Please visit our survey http://corrosionmanagementsurvey.in/ to see the flaw:
No coordination for interaction of various professional bodies in corrosion and associated disciplines.



Akshat Agrawal • the very fact that i never heard about National Corrosion Council of India despite being associated with this field for about 20 years (and i believe same is the case with many other corrosion professionals), is enough to describe the significance and prominence of this body.....

6 comments:

  1. Prof. T. K. G. Namboodhiri says: Mr. Akshat Agrawal is correct when he says that there is no single body in India representing corrosion workers. The NCCI seems to be a very ineffective and non-popular government outfit The others mentioned above are also mostly inaccessible or irrelevant to most people. It is high time that we have one single professional body, Indian, not a branch of NACE or any other foreign organization, and a periodical where Indian corrosion aspects are discussed.

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  2. Akshat Agrawal • Thank you very much Sir, how can we make it possible to bring all Corrosion Service Providers (CP agencies, coating & chemical suppliers, corrosion monitoring agencies), industrial research organizations, laboratories under one banner (NCCI or new a new body). I believe it is possible by show-casing / organizing mega Annual Conference events - if we borrow the NACE experience!!!

    Someone has to coordinate with Directors of NML, DMRL, IGCAR, Institute of Plasma Research, Reliance Petrochemicals, IOCL, ONGC, GAIL etc; JOTUN, BERGER, BETZ, THERMAX, ION Exchange, NALCO chemicals, etc etc in this regard.

    Akshat Agrawal • Further to my previous thread, i believe with the help of sponsorships (from all leading organizations/ industries) it is possible organize such a mega annual event. There will be seminars/ paper presentations, brain-storming sessions, work-shops to understand needs of industries and area of improvements so that we build confidence in indigenous capabilities / technologies (trigger some Joint Industry projects; benefit from each other experiences) and stop looking towards West for corrosion solutions.....I believe when we (indians) can be independent in SPACE RESEARCH, we can also CHALLENGE AND COMPETE WITH WEST in CORROSION TECHNOLOGY.

    I really feel hurt by the dominance of NACE International/ EFC and their biased policies towards Indians; but can't all the blame on them, after all every country / organization looks for interests of its own people.


    Akshat Agrawal • Corrosion is not a ROCKET SCIENCE..it just requires some field testing, simulation of field /process conditions in laboratories, setting up pilot plants .....

    COMING TO PRACTICAL CHALLENGES for CORROSION DEVELOPMENT: What i gained through working in IOCL, top management has very low confidence in the capabilities of Corrosion Engineers and many times ignore their recommendation of replacement / repair simply because Corrosion Engineers fail to show evidence/ prove the seriousness of an issue. For example i learnt from news channels 5 years before that most of the highway bridges/ railway bridges are more than 100 years old and are in very pathetic conditions; but still there are no big accidents happening!!!!!

    Hence, much needs to be done in the field of FITNESS-FOR-SERVICE, REMAINING LIFE ASSESSMENT field so that we can say with confidence, when a piece of equipment is going to fail???? Only qualitative statement is not enough to convince the top management to invest huge money for replacement/ refurbishment. We lack terribly in quantitative evaluation and failure analysis. Is this not the reason we are not getting safety and maintenance clearance for NUCLEAR PLANTS???? I wonder why there has not been MANY INDUSTRIAL / INFRASTRUCTURE DISASTERS/ failures in INDIA despite being this poor state of affairs; probably some unforeseen supernatural powers protects our FACILITIES.

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  3. Akshat Agrawal • Thank you very much Sir, how can we make it possible to bring all Corrosion Service Providers (CP agencies, coating & chemical suppliers, corrosion monitoring agencies), industrial research organizations, laboratories under one banner (NCCI or new a new body). I believe it is possible by show-casing / organizing mega Annual Conference events - if we borrow the NACE experience!!!

    Someone has to coordinate with Directors of NML, DMRL, IGCAR, Institute of Plasma Research, Reliance Petrochemicals, IOCL, ONGC, GAIL etc; JOTUN, BERGER, BETZ, THERMAX, ION Exchange, NALCO chemicals, etc etc in this regard.


    Akshat Agrawal • Further to my previous thread, i believe with the help of sponsorships (from all leading organizations/ industries) it is possible organize such a mega annual event. There will be seminars/ paper presentations, brain-storming sessions, work-shops to understand needs of industries and area of improvements so that we build confidence in indigenous capabilities / technologies (trigger some Joint Industry projects; benefit from each other experiences) and stop looking towards West for corrosion solutions.....I believe when we (indians) can be independent in SPACE RESEARCH, we can also CHALLENGE AND COMPETE WITH WEST in CORROSION TECHNOLOGY.

    I really feel hurt by the dominance of NACE International/ EFC and their biased policies towards Indians; but can't all the blame on them, after all every country / organization looks for interests of its own people.


    Akshat Agrawal • Corrosion is not a ROCKET SCIENCE..it just requires some field testing, simulation of field /process conditions in laboratories, setting up pilot plants .....

    COMING TO PRACTICAL CHALLENGES for CORROSION DEVELOPMENT: What i gained through working in IOCL, top management has very low confidence in the capabilities of Corrosion Engineers and many times ignore their recommendation of replacement / repair simply because Corrosion Engineers fail to show evidence/ prove the seriousness of an issue. For example i learnt from news channels 5 years before that most of the highway bridges/ railway bridges are more than 100 years old and are in very pathetic conditions; but still there are no big accidents happening!!!!!

    Hence, much needs to be done in the field of FITNESS-FOR-SERVICE, REMAINING LIFE ASSESSMENT field so that we can say with confidence, when a piece of equipment is going to fail???? Only qualitative statement is not enough to convince the top management to invest huge money for replacement/ refurbishment. We lack terribly in quantitative evaluation and failure analysis. Is this not the reason we are not getting safety and maintenance clearance for NUCLEAR PLANTS???? I wonder why there has not been MANY INDUSTRIAL / INFRASTRUCTURE DISASTERS/ failures in INDIA despite being this poor state of affairs; probably some unforeseen supernatural powers protects our FACILITIES.

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  4. Manickam Valliappan • Akshat,

    Corrosion is not a Rocket Science, but it is a COMPLEX science. The approach depends on the persons/agencies who deal with complex problems. It's not mere collection of experience from others and use it for our purpose. The key to success in finding feasible solutions for complex problems wholly depends on how effective we validate the findings of others and use it directly for our purpose or develop our own methodology.

    I would like to quote the following note from a national agency in the US: Developing a national strategy for any technical field is a highly ambitious goal, as is prioritizing the work that must be done to realize that strategy across all the federal agencies.

    We have to appreciate the efforts made by various parties/agencies/individuals in creating awareness for corrosion. These efforts can not be easily ignored and bypassed to develop a national focus.

    It's truly a collaborative effort to find a suitable way of controlling corrosion in India. Our technology group is working in the direction of establishing collaboration with the professionals/industries/professional associations/regulatory agencies to develop a national strategy.

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  5. Prof. T. K. G. Namboodhiri • Indeed corrosion is a complex phenomenon. It costs us huge amount of money annually. We must have policies and practices established by industries to prevent/reduce corrosion. We must develop standards for testing & evaluation which can be adopted by industry/government here. For all of this to happen we must have a national organization which can co-ordinate activities of various agencies, collect data nation-wide, initiate research wherever needed, and act as a source of information. Government, in collaboration with industrial organizations must take initiative to have such an organization.


    Akshat Agrawal • Putting your recommendation sequentially (from last to one) -

    1)" Government, in collaboration with industrial organizations must take initiative to have such an organization."

    I think we already have - NCCI. Just forming another Govt. Body will not solve the problem, it also requires to be effective. So main issue here is how to make Corrosion Body effective. For that i suggested to borrow experience from other National Corrosion Bodies. I know only possible ways / starting point is 'TO BRING ALL CORROSION STAKE HOLDERS ON BOARD to discuss issues'.

    2) "a national organization which can co-ordinate activities of various agencies, collect data nation-wide, initiate research wherever needed, and act as a source of information. "

    The coordination requires organizing a mega event / conference where all parties assemble to discuss issues. Organizing such a mega event is possible by 'SPONSORSHIP' from INDUSTRIES (as far as i know, no FEDERAL GOVT. funds such conferences anywhere).

    3) "We must develop standards for testing & evaluation which can be adopted by industry/government here."

    When all concerned parties/ stake holders discuss and identify issues, we have enough infrastructure / capabilities already available to handle TESTING/ EVALUATION - NML, DMRL, DRDO, Institute of Plasma Research, IGCAR, Institute of Petroleum Research, Institute of Plasma Research to name the few.....

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  6. in india earlier the situation was diffrent than the present scenario earlier indian conditions (soil, envoirnment, pollution etc) were less favourable to corrosion due to which there wasnt significant effecct of corrosion but today the situation is changed indian condition are now more favourable to cause corroision hence i feel its the right time to frame a control body for the corrosion management, education, standrd settings and international representation of indian corrosion socity.
    i liked this initative a lot and im very much keen to put all the efforts to make it a huge success.

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